and arguing over who is having the last langoustine. I just think that’s what it’s all about.
You are clearly passionate about seafood but how important is it for chefs to understand where ingredients come from and the sustainability of a product?
Chefs have got to have an understanding of the sea. Working with Rick Stein, we were one of the first to have MSC for mackerel. I carried it on and we had that certification at Ondine until I decided to stop it. There was nothing wrong but I came to a point where I had listened to them, fishermen and the Scottish government and I realised I had a good knowledge and I didn’t need certification to reflect this. It’s important to listen to everyone, the environmentalists and the fishermen.
For chefs in general, it’s important to know where ingredients come from – it’s all about seasons and respecting nature – not taking too much out. I have a lot of respect for fisherman and what they do it’s the hardest job in the world. How many jobs out there, other than the armed forces, do you go out for the day and you might not come back? It’s great to work with them and support the fisherman’s mission, I’m right behind and support marine conservation and I don’t have to wear a badge for people to see that I’m doing that.
I follow fish2fork every week to see what fish is available, where there is a shortage and what shouldn’t be taken. We made the choice to take MSC off our menus not because I don’t like or respect what they do, I just feel I’ve learnt enough now that I know what’s right and wrong to go onto my menu. I’ll still listen and I’ll still look for guidance.
Why did you decide to open Ondine?
I left Rick’s to work with Ken McCulloch and I stayed with him for three years. I realised I wanted to make decisions myself and for me, fish was all I wanted to cook. So my wife Karen and I decided to open our own place.
Is having your own place how you expected it to be?
I had no fear when we opened because there was so much to do. I didn’t think about anything not working, but it’s been really challenging and tough. My cousin and business partner, came out of Ondine a month ago so now I’m completely solo which is a fantastic feeling. I get a real buzz, the team really work hard and I have a lot of respect for them and they are fantastic chefs of the future.
Have you achieved what you set out to achieve when you first opened?
I think Ondine is always getting better, it’ like a marriage you get to know your restaurant better as the years go on. You build up a client base and you get to know their habits but it’s great to see the tourism trade coming back too. The American market, Russian, Chinese – they are all in the one room at Ondine having a good time and they only came for one purpose – to eat shellfish! We always like to have a room with an atmosphere, I don’t see the point of going to a stuffy restaurant all we’ve ever wanted at Ondine is for people to come and have a good time. I think we’ve achieved that and often excelled it.
And what about awards?
Awards are nice but ultimately it’s about being true to your beliefs. We are trying to be accessible to three different markets – local, the city and tourists. Ultimately what we want is a successful business and we want to achieve a regular clientele...
You mentioned your young chefs, do you enjoy passing on your skills to them?
It’s the whole point – we are on a journey and I know it’s cliché to say these chefs are just passing through but what you learn you must pass on - hopefully in the years to come they will appreciate that. It’s great to work with chefs who have the energy my team have, they work really hard. They don’t become chefs in your restaurant they become friends, not in a socialising way but in a respectful way. Some of the young chefs I have in the kitchen now, I know there will be many successful restaurants built around these guys and girls.
Can Scottish restaurants really compete with those in London?
It’s very difficult to compare both cities, we’re very much different from London. There’s so much we can take from London and I have so much respect for the restaurateurs who work down there especially as it's so hard to keep up the standards and the consistency. I believe we are growing up here and the market in Scotland is looking very promising and it’s a good time to be a restaurateur in Scotland right now.
We’ve talked about ingredients but what dishes on your menu best reflect your style?
The wild sea bass ceviche - it’s inspired by Gary Lee’s dish at The Ivy, and is really popular. Getting in that whole fish, filleting it, pin boning it and then slicing it and adding your marinade just to take to that point if just cooking it and then serving it – I think this dish sums us up. We are not doing a lot to it but we are in the sense that the sea bass will taste fantastic just as it is. I try to do that with all the dishes we serve.
Also the hot roasted shellfish, using whole fruits of the sea that have such different flavours and textures. We use all the juices in one pan to make the sauce and it’s such a robust, confident and reliable dish.