to any potential staff who want to come on board at Elystan Street.
“I don't want somebody coming to work at Elystan Street because they think they're going to get some multiple Michelin star experience and I’m going to come in with a big white hat on,” he said.
“At the end of the day, half the world is starving, and we’re in the privileged bit that has got some food.
“Ultimately, it's only food. We do all come bouncing down the stairs in the morning enthused to cook, but it's only food.
“We want to just give people pleasure who choose to walk through our door rather than somebody else's. We want them to walk away happier than when they walked in thinking, bloody hell, what a great place Elystan Street was.”
Phil still spends plenty of time in the kitchen, but many of the services are now led by head chef Michael Olive. Front of house also plays a huge role in the success of the restaurant, down in no small part to operations director Sarah Rhone, who Phil speaks glowingly about.
“In the 35 years I've been working, she's one of the most able and wonderful people that I've had the pleasure of working with,” he said.
“Young, dynamic, inspired, amazing leader, great team player, looks after people, disciplines people - she's the complete deal.
“And they don't grow on trees, those kinds of people. She is top dog.”
He added: “It is all about the team. I've been saying it's about the team for years and years.
“You have to build a team that can keep a restaurant thundering along seven days a week. And once you've got a team and a restaurant that's got momentum, actually, that's the liberating bit.
“It means that any single person, me, head chef, GM, we're not reliant on any single person. So that's really important.
“I still have my finger completely on the pulse with the food. I think my most valuable contribution to any of the restaurants I'm involved with is the menu. I've got a good palette.
“All sorts of character traits are required to make a great chef. I'm missing lots of them, but I do have a good palette. I like cooking food that gives pleasure, nothing more than that.
“I think I write a good menu with good dishes. You then need a great team to execute them.
“Michael and I talk about food. He's really come of age at Elystan Street.
“He's worked here for a long time, went away, has come back, so he understands the food at Elystan Street really well.
“He's really informal. I also really like that. I don't want any strict disciplined kind of kitchen. And underneath him now we have a tight team.”

Classic Flavours, Fresh Presentations
In terms of the food itself, Phil tends to lean into classic combinations on his menus, such as current options like duck paired with fruit, beef and horseradish, or blackcurrant cheesecake.
“As the seasons change, on the one hand I like drop back onto old favourites,” he admitted.
“But equally every year I try and think with a fresh approach. But the reality is, at my age, given that not a cell in my body is interested in trying to reinvent the wheel, flavours are classical.
“In my opinion, they are the most harmonious and they give the most pleasure. But there's always ways to present them, interpret them or cook them.
“So every year I do try and do a bit of both.”
Summing up what he wants the experience to be like at Elystan Street, Phil said: “We've got to make sure that people can just swan through the door and chill out, have some great food, get looked after and walk out with a smile.”
