and everything in between.
So in terms of now Galvins then as a business, four restaurants - how do you divide your time among them?
I spend my time based here at La Chapelle and Café à Vin and my brother looks after the Bistrot and Galvin at Windows. I have to say though we have very talented head chefs in all four of the restaurants who have been with us for a very long time and it’s really how we're able to do it. We are open 7 days a week lunch and dinner so there is no way Chris and I can see every service and we are very comfortable to entrust our head chefs with maintaining high standards. Also we have great managers which really help.
And what’s your secret to holding onto staff Jeff? How do you retain them? You've got four businesses it’s very important to hold onto them isn’t it?

Yeah it’s a tough; it’s probably the million dollar question. I think good training is a key ingredient. It’s not really about money,although you’ve obviously got to pay a very competitive salary, but I don't think any chef who wants to get on is really going to stay somewhere just because you pay him that bit more. It’s got to be a fair environment in which the staff are learning and progressing. Most of the staff that work for us are away from home & faillies, possibly away from their own country. I like to make them feel like they are part of the family here.
So it’s looking after them, nurturing them and mentoring them.
Yes looking after them, someone who’s looking out for them. We don’t mollycoddle, that doesn’t work, but just getting that nice balance., enough hours that they’re dedicated to us, but they’ve got a bit of time for an outside lifw too. Although its crucial that they behave themselves, not going out at night when they’re on duty at 7am the next morning. But I have to say we've got good sensible and serious members of staff. I think we have got a very good retention of staff and I feel that's where lots of our success and future lies.
So have you changed as a business as you've got bigger, things like human resources, inductions, those type of things? Have they all come as part of the Galvins expansion?
Yeah my wife was a HR director since we had our boys though she has been a housewife, over the last sort of 12 years that we've been together she has taught me a lot about looking after staff and procedures, my HR used to be, “There's the door close it behind you,” I think I in turn toughened her up a little too. Two and a half years ago we created a head office which is just over near Oxford Street so the first day in the business for a new employee is there, induction, learn about our company, learn all the rules. So yes it’s a different thing as you grow.
And do you see a benefit to that in the business?

Definitely yes. It’s Somewhere quiet the chefs can go to do Menu work, also we can hold training sessions there. The trouble with our restaurants they’re very rarely empty in the afternoons so we’ll have a wine supplier coming for training and he's got nowhere to go, at least we can say, 3.30 this guy’s there he's set up, in you go and you’re away, and it’s close enough you can get back for service still. Basically somewhere very central between the restaurants that really works for us.
We hear a lot at the moment Jeff about work/life balance and I know you've worked for people like Marco and Nico I'm sure you've seen quite a dramatic change, are you able to manage your work/life balance or is it 24/7 for you?
Our staff work an eight shift week and to me that’s about the right balance, around 48hrs. It’s the week that I work and I think it does give you that balance when your two days off come you’re not knackered, you don’t need to spend the whole day in bed. I think it’s a nice balance, if the guys want to save their days up they can go off for four days if they want to. Certainly different to working 6 days a week with Marco. I think I've tried just about everything, the three days off, four days on, that doesn’t work for me, it’s too long away from the business. If you’re away for eight days, come back and it takes the guys two or three days to get back into anything that may have changed
Last question for you then if I may Jeff, great success personally, professionally, Galvins is going well, four great restaurants, what does the next five years hold for you individually, but Galvins as a company? Where do you want to be? What are you aspiring to?
Yeah, what’s the big plan? The answer to that is we've had a big plan.
What’s the strategy Jeff?
When we set out it was every dream Chris and I had to own and run a restaurant.
Just one?
Yes, the Bistrot would have been enough for us, we would have died there.

Happy as pigs in…
We definitely would have been happy, but the thing is the more successful the Bistrot became the more the more quite amazing Sites & opportunities came along. Not having a preconceived plan about expansion and the fact that money isn’t what drives us leaves us with only 3 questions. Is the restaurant space super special, can we make it work business wise and do we have the key personnel to be able to pull it off. If the answer to any of these question is not an obvious yes then we leave it.
I am very lucky to have the experience and wisdom of my brother and our partner Ken Sanker and I think between us we make good cautious decisions and we share the same tastes and philosophies. There's so much talent in the company I feel we've got more in us. On that note we are going to open a Café style restaurant in Harrods this March and are due to open 2 beautiful restaurants in which will be the newly refurbished Caledonian Hotel in Edinburgh Later in the year. So a busy time ahead.