(Bosi) or Daniel's (Clifford) - it takes someone very special?
That's right and that's why us boys are in the kitchen, that's why we're grafting, that's why John (Freeman) grafts for Sat, that's why Mark (Birchall) grafts for Simon because we want to be where they are. Emulate them.
So you've been here four years, Tom offers you a job, I love the, "Call yourself what you want."
Yeah that was exactly what he said. When I was chef de partie, I was running the garnish section, I was doing the chips, doing what a chef on the garnish section does.
I imagine Heston's got a lot to answer for chips cooked three times ?
He has and I've tried doing them the way he does in the vacuum packer and that, that is a step too far for us, we've only got a small sous vide machine and doing 500+ portions a week! So I did that as a chef de partie and then about eight weeks later the junior sous chef handed his notice in, and Tom offered me the promotion. So I was then junior sous and running sauce meat and fish.
You hadn't been here that long why you?
He must have seen something in me! And in the early days of the old kitchen, Tom's "one to ones" got me through the crap! Like with me the staff retention is massive here if we see something in someone they're not leaving as far as I'm concerned. With that belief came promotion to junior sous chef, I've grabbed the bull by the horns, kept my head down and then roughly eight months later the sous chef a guy called Chris Mackett who worked for Tom for six years, moved on and I was given the job as sous just before I was going on holiday to Ibiza in the summer.
As I said to Tom earlier he's got busier as the Hand & Flowers profile is raised, there's more demands on his time that takes him out of the business.
Absolutely the business has grown astronomically since when I first started, I mean it's just a completely different beast now. After Great British Menu we've just been slammed, we were busy but now it's full on and Tom needs that time away to be able to promote himself, promote the business and make it bigger and better. Tt's a massive honour for him too, we went to lunch Christmas Eve last year at the Sportsman, Liz Carter turned up actually and it was quite mad. Tom got a text saying "I'm in the area," and she popped down. Just before she came Tom and Beth gave me the good news and I was completely knocked back, for them to give me the role as head chef of the Hand & Flowers is a massive, massive honour.
So how much have you changed? What's different about you now from three and a half years ago?
Three and a half years ago there's no way I could manage a kitchen, I mean looking at the way Tom runs it, I've got a little of Tom's management style in me but I also like to think I bring something else to the table, I don't think he would give me the job if he didn't think I could do it. So yeah I've changed, the whole thing of managing the kitchen, taking a step back.
What's been your biggest frustration?
It comes in waves but it would probably be staff.
What finding them or...
Finding good ones it's like finding a needle in a haystack. Tom leaves me to run the kitchen and also look at how the business works, GPs, etc When I first started off I had a profit-related bonus, so I had to hit the targets, but that shows me how important it is for a business like this to run properly. So getting my head around that, and the whole taking a step back, not being one of the boys and then taking on the more responsibility to make sure the business runs smoothly. Here its not just Tom and Beth Kerridge at the Hand & Flowers it's a whole family thing.
What's the best thing about working with Tom?
He's got the most infectious personality. He's an absolute legend. He's a beast of a man, and every single day he's just driving, driving, driving, pushing, pushing, every single person and it's just so infectious and the food that we're doing here is what I love. But we're all on the same wave-length and we all want exactly the same thing. Without sounding cocky or arrogant and it's been bred into me we want to be the best pub in the country.
What does the future hold for you, what do you want to get from this experience?
Ultimately yeah I do want my own restaurant, whether that's with Tom's backing and, you know, one day maybe it will be. I'm a firm believer that the Hand & Flowers brand can be massive and I want to be a part of that. I want to be the head chef of the best pub in the country. That is what I want and I'm not going to stop until we do it. Until then I'll keep driving on, keep driving the boys on, I support Tom 100% and I support the business 100% I live and breathe it and I'd die for this place because of the people who work here and the way Tom drives people and that whole ethos is inbred in me. Primarily what I want is to be head chef of best pub in the country and then yeah in the future I would love my own pub. I love the whole informal dining. You can come here in shorts and t-shirts and a pair of flip flops and have amazing food and a pint of Abbot ale.