so gash that we had to cover them with tablecloths because they were so bloody horrible. Of course tablecloths gives that air of formality, especially within a building with just 24 covers and the span of the restaurant is only several feet so you can see how small it is. You can look in through the window and see front to back in a stone's throw, we've never been uptight or formal with our food or service but maybe we may have given that impression. After the fire there was an opportunity to refresh and buy some new tables and then we chose to go for the natural wood look, have that more informal but stylish sort of look and straightaway the feedback was better.
Yeah there's nothing in the Michelin Guide to say that you've got to have tablecloths.
Exactly, exactly and that's it. We realIy like the new interiors and just thought this is the way to go and it really lends itself to our building, we've got a lot of wood, natural beams and old features, not that in any way that we'd want to replicate Noma or anything.
Sure noma's is noma.
Exactly but it was just the catalyst of how things could change in this country a lot of people were already doing that style alongside Copenhagen. So we thought very carefully how we should rebuild our restaurant because once again we had one chance and one chance only it was very damp trouser moment, coming back in mid recession.
Was there ever a time when you thought, "˜Bugger it?' No? Or were you always going to reopen?
Yes right in the middle of the refurbishment we were battling it out with the Loss Adjusters they kept saying there is a massive recession and it effecting the restaurant and pub industry in particular - they applied a 20% down turn to our loss of business so that we bearly had enough to live on everything was against us and the refurbishment was costing much more than the sums insured we thought we will never be able to get the building back. I mean the trade press wasn't terribly constructive in a lot of the media regarding restaurants. There were a lot of good places going under and there was a lot of people moving around and there was a lot of uncertainty in the industry.
And I thought, "˜Christ,' you know, we have ((laughingly)) just lost our entire restaurant and we have and

start all over again and once again your energy levels, you know, and I'm still comparatively young and I still feel, especially now, that we can push on a lot further but you kind of think, am I going to be able to start all over again? And yes there was an element of doubt, I'm being realistic, there was
I don't think you'd be human if there wasn't.
Exactly I'd be a liar to say that there wasn't but what changed was when Jackie was emailing out to our clients saying, "Look Artichoke we're going to be back in," it's going to be another two months, another three months, whatever it was when we were doing that little countdown and there were so many people asking, "Please keep us informed of when you're coming back "¦" " the support from our clients was fantastic they were so loyal to us "¦we felt that we really had to come back
That goes back to your original goal though of being a community restaurant doesn't it? So going forward then it's been a massive transition and we've had a look around today, you started in what can be described as a box kitchen. You've now got a much, much better working environment. The guides are being kind to you now, Rising Star, Good Food Guide, you've expanded, but what now drives your business? Is it accolades or is it getting rid of the bank owning this and you owning it?
No I think what's driving us at the moment is that, without sounding arrogant but the quality of the product that we're now offering and I can see, now I've been away from it for a period of time, I can see the progression and that's exciting.
You're working in the business rather than working on the business as we said earlier. It's that you can't see the wood for the trees moment isn't it?
Definitely, as I said I'm so fortunate I've got some fantastic lads and once again you're as good as the team behind you. My new sous chef, Ben Jenkins has helped strengthen the team , I've always worked with a team but it's nice to get fresh blood in, new ideas

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And you need them to push you forward as well don't you?
I'm under the obligation of keeping things fresh and exciting for them, they've put their time and commitment and almost put their lives on hold to come and work with us and it's a two way street, the team are so excited. I'm the old boy in the kitchen, I've got lads in there 17 -18 years old and I've got to run round faster than them still to prove a point and that keeps me fired up. I like the competition, I've always been very competitive
Most chefs are though aren't they?
I like that feeling of still having to be the driving creative force but by the same token there's so much input with the team and that's lovely and developing and refining dishes that we already had on the menu and now we're into the next era of creating new dishes.
Yeah I mean I know what it's like running your own business and I know equally what it's like running"¦well I don't know what it's like running a restaurant but I speak to a lot of people that do and I know the bloody demands of time and pressure what's the end goal for you and Jackie?
I think, as I said, it's still the same goal that when we set out. We want to have a restaurant that's within a neighbourhood that's initially caters for the needs of the surrounding area but now we want to push the boundaries as we've always wanted to, to have something that's a bit more nationally recognised.
But personally where do you want to end up?
Personally just to develop what we've got, I mean I think how we are now will be different to how we are next year. I just want to have a restaurant that is recognised for excellent food, excellent service and that's our goal. Maybe in the future to have something with rooms, but at the moment we feel that Artichoke has still got a lot of legs and I mean we've just moved into the property next door.
So it's like a rebirth a new beginning almost isn't it?
Yes exactly, longevity, we've just moved from doing that cramped little six burner stove kitchen upstairs and we achieved so much with that, now we've got a posh, flash induction range downstairs, open kitchen, which once again it's given a rebirth to the way that we cook because the chefs, myself included obviously we can see the people that we're serving. It's fantastic you get a little bit of interaction, it's not an open house, obviously it's still very much we're about cooking the food for our clients and our clients are here for their benefit and for eating their meal but there is that little bit of crossover now which is exciting. Brilliant for the young chefs, it gives them much more of an understanding about timing.
It also breaks down barriers doesn't it?
Exactly and I think it's important especially when so many chefs are working so hard facing the tiled wall, sorry faced prepping away and just really unaware of what's going on through the kitchen door never seeing the end results and that little package of food travels its journey all the way from the knife and the frying pan to the plate, to the customer, it's nice to see the complete journey and I think my particular team cook better in that environment and it's certainly geed up the boys a lot more when we moved into the new kitchen and obviously we've got a lot more space and facilities are better and I think going back to your original question about where do we see ourselves well I think the longevity of that scenario will push us forward on to the next stage of Artichoke .
Well listen I wish you and Jackie every success it's been wonderful to come and see you and understand the journey you've been on and thank you very, very much for your time.
Thank you.