we’re just avoiding things like truffles and caviar. It’s been really challenging, but part of the enjoyment of it is

trying to present something that is still us, - it still fits into what we believe in - but at a price that people aren’t going to balk at. So we've got haddock, plaice and mackerel on the menu, and a lot of vegetable-based starters, which is a challenge in itself. A lot of people think if there's no protein in it then it’s not a dish, saying that though, our most popular starter is a vegetarian dish.
And in terms of costing your menus how do you approach it? Do you look at each dish individually?
We do; I really didn’t want any of the main courses to go over 20 quid, but at the moment we've got rib-eye steak on, and at the end of the day good rib-eye costs money (and people love it), so that's the only main course on the menu that goes above that price.
Of course the thing is now chefs have all got to factor in 20% VAT
That is the absolute killer. I mean we could quite comfortably run the menu with all the starters around the £6, £7 point and all the main courses around the sort of £16, £18 mark if it wasn't for the VAT but the VAT just kills you.
It’s that thing isn’t it where we almost need to be trading our way out of a recession as opposed to starving ourselves out of a recession.
Yeah and it doesn’t do anyone any good. We have to put our prices up and are therefore perceived as more expensive…
It’s a double whammy isn’t it?
…and the customer gets hit with it at the end of it and it’s just not good for anyone.
In terms of changing your menu then how do you approach that Is it a change across the board, all the way, every dish or do you change and tweak and sort of manipulate as you go along?
This was one of the things that we did very successfully at Foliage. We changed menu items as and when, so for example cuttlefish we had on the menu two weeks ago, the cuttlefish season finished so we changed that dish. We like to try and change two or three things very couple of weeks. The very fact that we want people to come back two or three times a month means that they want to come back and see something different. It’s not even just to keep interest for the customers because at the end of the day we have to cook it every day so we like to keep it interesting for

ourselves as well. I'm very happy that we're now a brigade of four, and I'm really lucky with the guys I’ve got in the kitchen, we work really well together. It’s very collaborative. Olly (Pierrepont) is just a genius, he's awesome.
You mentioned there's 200 odd restaurants here in Bath so how important is customer feedback to you?
Very very important!
Are the days of the chef saying, “It’s my food and if you don’t like it bugger off,” are they gone?
I mean you've worked for chefs that had that attitude.
Completely, 100%, unless you are blessed enough to be fully booked for the next 10 years!
You specifically can’t have that attitude in a market that is as saturated as Bath. The people in Baths feet do the talking, if they can’t find what they want in your establishment they just go down the road to someone else. Without disparaging anybody else’s operation there are a lot of

operations in Bath who know the tourists are there, they know they don’t have to try that hard and service is not the top thing on their list. So there's a lot of lacklustre operations and we want to really focus on customer service, the interaction with guests and the welcome that they get; and make it a place that the locals feel is theirs in a city that's swamped with all these tourist traps and chain restaurants.
Last question for you then Chris please, as a chef it’s the end of the so-called summer, if you can call three days of sunshine summer, which I guess we can in the UK, what’s your favourite menu season and why?
Wow.
Are you a game man? Are you a Spring man? Or is it the next season, is the next one always the…
Yeah I think it is the next one…
Seasons are not like they were are they? We've got micro seasons now
Absolutely I think there are about 30 seasons in a year now. But after the winter, when you start to see green things, that's always a big moment

for me.
Winter’s always a tough one for the pastry chefs isn’t it?
It is, but spring is that time where you think, fantastic we can start using feves and peas and all that, it’s really inspiring.
So that passion’s still there?
Absolutely yes! Anyone who gets involved in this is never going to make it a success if they don’t ‘live’ it. You have to absolutely love what you do; when you’re getting up after three hours sleep and have to go in and do an 18 hour day, you really have to want to do that, you can’t play at it and anyone who…yeah it has to be in your blood.
Well look on that note thank you very much. What a pleasure to meet you. Thank you.
Yeah, pleasure to finally meet you as well.