Bakery he's like a couple of miles away and we use secretts Farm based down in Surrey which is only 50 miles. We're lucky because being part of Compass we can tap into the economies of scale in terms of purchasing but they do allow us as a separate Sector to develop our own local supply chain also
One thing you mentioned earlier you've got Roux at Parliament Square, you've got Rhodes 24 great city clients, is it a frustration of yours that you’re serving some very high profile clients but people maybe don’t see how good your food is because it’s not in the public domain? How do you counteract that? How do you attract chefs to your business?
That's not a frustration for me personally, it may be for some of our younger head chefs that know they are producing Michelin quality food that will never publicly be recognised
All chefs like recognition don’t they though?
I was going to say, it’s quite contentious, but most chefs are glory hunters aren’t they
Yeah well they like badges, they like rosettes because it’s a mark of where they are and they can benchmark against, “I've got two rosettes, etc etc
It doesn’t frustrate me that they can’t achieve accolades in that sense, they can't have a Michelin star in the private dining because they just can't, its not open to the public, but what is an even better mark of a great chef is when you constantly get great feedback and thanks from a captured market, i.e. their customers are their everyday.
But I'll interview chefs who’ve got a Michelin star and they’ll say it’s a great draw for staff because they’ve got a star.
The great draw for staff and for us is that we work with Michel Roux Jnr, Albert Roux OBE,
Jason Atherton and Gary Rhodes
We are the only contract caterer at the moment that can actually say we have two restaurants with a Michelin star but when I interview a chef and I tell them that and I talk to them about how we work with people like Michel Roux Jnr, Jason Atherton. I can demonstrate that it is real , that these guys are not just chefs putting their names to what we do they help us with training, they help us with food development, so I can sit in front of a chef and employ them and tell them all those positives and also show them our food.
But you need to get the chef over the threshold first don’t you? You need to bring him in before you can show him that?
Of course you do. So I don’t have a frustration about accolades, I have a frustration that there's still a lot of stigma attached to contract catering. I even dislike the word. it’s come such a long way in the last five even the last ten years, my frustration is that we're not taken as seriously as commercial restaurants that are in the limelight
It’s the name, I've always said that, it’s the name you just envisage these big lines of bain Maries
People think pie and mash, not that there's anything wrong with pie and mash by the way, if it’s the best pie and mash you've ever eaten, but that's frustration and that's one of the reasons we really encourage our guys to enter the national competitions such as The Roux Scholarship, it raises our profile even further. It makes me really proud that we had a Winner of the Roux Scholarship and have had finalists since, we were the first contract caterer to do so. We've had people in the finals of the National Chef of the Year. Another guy in the final of the British Culinary Federation Chef of the Year. So they get their good exposure through different routes.
Last question for you then lots and lots of clients to service what would you say at the moment is the food trend? What are your clients asking you for most? Where are you seeing the trend go?
I think there's a couple of things happening and it’s slightly different for us because whilst we have to watch future food trends and what’s happening in the restaurant world our clients are very demanding, in many cases where we serve fine dining, if our customers are not dining with us that day, they will probably be dining at
Galvin, Gavroche, Jason Atherton or any other of the very best restaurants in London, so that’s their benchmark and for that reason it has to be ours.
I think in terms of trends there's definitely a requirement for going back to less formal, more casual dining and that's a trend in restaurants that we're seeing. I'm a big fan of this we're seeing some great bistros and brasseries opening up. If you think about places like Les Deux Salons and Arbutus and Wild Honey and think about what Galvin did with The Bistrot, that's become a trend, Terroir is another one, all those amazing French bistros and brasseries.
Are you able to replicate that?
We're able to replicate and even take it to the next stage I think. I think there's a demand for it because it’s trendy, there's also a demand for it because it’s lower cost, it’s lower recharge cost because you don’t need extravagant ingredients and extravagant cuts and it’s quicker, it’s more casual dining, so less and less of our customers have an hour and a half, two hours for lunch nowadays, a lot of them have half an hour, 45 minutes, so rather than come in and have a formally served three course meal with canapés, pre-desert and everything else, they can come in and have a simple two course meal that's incredibly tasty, equally as good, they’re just less fussy. And its comfort food, its food that everybody can identify with.
Which must make it very interesting and diverse for you?
Massively, So some of those companies are quite modern, cutting edge companies so their expectation of us is they want a very contemporary dining experience so they’re expecting us to be similar to,
Sat Bains,
Simon Rogan and Jason Atherton, their expectation of our food is that we should be doing the same. So those are two quite opposite things but they’re two trends that we’re seeing and the thing that keeps it interesting, as you said, such diverse customer base which is great… And that makes it interesting too.
Well thank you very much.
Pleasure.
Great to come and talk to you.