It’s more human, it goes direct to the senses.
“It’s imperfect but it’s perfect in the way we’ve created it. We want the perfect way to recreate an imperfection - don’t get scared to eat the lemon tart it’s already broken.”
For a chef who is so innovative and forward thinking, to the point where he often baffles diners and others in the industry, he remains true to his roots when it comes to the foundations.
He said: “You have to know the classics. First you learn the classics, the traditional and then you can create these kinds of plates.”
He added: “I ask in the kitchen, always, who are you? They have to answer in three days with a plate. They express themselves with a plate.”
So do other chefs understand him?

“How can I answer? Culture is our landscape of ideas. Culture tells you how to approach, the shape you have to create and the messages the plate should give to people. What I create at Osteria Franscana, uses art and culture and landscape for ideas.”
He added: “I have a great relationship with chefs. The new generation, after the 90’s, they exploded in 2000. It created a gastronomic congress, which helped chefs to grow together, to share and break all the barriers. We could experience and influence together, that’s why and how cuisine went to such a high level.”
This book may appear serious, its bible style cover makes you approach with caution, but throughout its pages runs humour. It and Massimo himself, don’t take themselves too seriously. It’s very light-hearted and a lot of fun lies within those creative processes.
Massimo said: “Humour is very important, it’s important to always be grounded because at the end we are just cooks. We are not scientists, we are not doctors – we are cooks. Right now people talk about us, and the spotlight we have on us we can help the whole area surrounding us. So artisans, cheese makers, fisherman, the gastronomic tourism of our nations.”
Massimo’s ‘tradition evolution’ takes dishes so far out of their comfort zone that they don’t remember what they used to be. Playing around with traditional plates such as bollito misto must have caused Italians everywhere to gasp in disbelief.
“The Italian reaction was indifferent at the beginning,” explained Massimo. “I believed in what I was doing and now after years and years, they are beginning to understand because I’m explaining it to them. In 2014 you cannot boil meat (bollito misto) into the water, you lose all the vitamins and protein. With the new technique, sous vide, the meat is preserved.”
He added: “Tradition, really respects the ingredients. But if you look at these dishes from a critic point of view you analyse immediately if there are some mistakes or if it’s totally wrong. There are plates that I like and if I can’t evolve it, then it’s done.”

So what does this evolutionary chef eat outside of Italy? Can other chefs tempt his pallet?
He said: “There are so many cuisines, sometimes I feel I want Japanese, some classic French – two nights ago I was at the
Ledbury and had the game, the hunting season is extraordinary. But as soon as I go back to Italy I’m going to eat my pizza!”
Massimo is clearly thrilled with his book and he puffs with pride when he talks about it and his restaurant Osteria Francescana, but will he ever venture away from Italy and open a restaurant here?
“British cuisine has never been like this,” he said. “These guys they are the sons and daughters of Marco Pierre White. Very rock and roll, they express themselves with incredible ingredients. It blows me away to see how much it has grown in the last ten years.”
“London is one of my top two destinations to open a restaurant,” he added. “Along with New York. But I‘ll only be ready when I’m ready to move.”
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By Cara Pilkington
@canteencara